Post by 74Rk4 on Aug 30, 2016 2:02:08 GMT -6
Hey an episode about philosophical implications? I'm on board!
Apropos on board. Just want to talk about the ship for a second.
I'm not sure if this is really wrong, or if I just was taught incorrectly; but I heard the story about the ship of Theseus twice now,
in about ten hours and not the way I know it.
The parts of the ship ware not replaced on the adventure (I mean of course there were repairs, but not to the extend that makes the story interesting).
The people of Crete demanded sacrifices from the people of Athene in the form of 14 virgins (seven male and seven female … hmmm).
That was total bs of course and Theseus promised to bring them back.
After a lot of hot dungeon action, he did so and as a thx dude, the Athens kept his ship ready in the dock (making a celebratory sale to Crete every year),
for allegedly a thousand years! In this time, the parts were exchanged; over a thousand years.
The argument could maybe change a little, when the time is concerned;
would you be willing to exchange your precious bits for augments, if you could life a thousand years?
Would you still be yourself? Enough about boats now.
The function of the transporter, was never a thing I really thought about much,
because Brundle himself stated, that it would not reproduce something and not really transport, rather than make a new thing.
It's splitting hairs in some way, but words have (explicit) meaning and for me it was always clear,
that he destroyed himself, the first time he used it.
That's also the way the Star Trek teleprompters probably work.
They can't 'transport' atoms from A to B, even if the atoms 'ride on an energy wave function', or some other technobabble.
It isn't possible, that they are the same Atoms, because Riker was once split into two (full) persons and this wouldn't be possible using just his atoms.
Would have been funny though, if there were two little Rikers.
So the atoms are transformed into energy, transporter, and transformed back to atoms.
And because of thermodynamic (which makes the whole thing questionable in it self) there has to be extra energy,
when an accident happens to make more atoms? So you are build up from the ground regardless.
That brings me to the body/mind theory Leon talked about and I always thought was the point of the story.
Body Theory and Mind Theory in their raw form and on their own, are (probably) nonsense.
One always influences the other, though we don't have ways to fully proof that – at least the mind without a body (now I want to talk about Major Kusanagi...).
For me the crux of the story, was the splicing with the fly.
That was the thing, that changed him, because he wasn't himself anymore – the lost in translation thing about the transporter, he mentioned earlier on.
The body horror is just Cronenberg being Cronenberg, but there was this change in his mental state, that was more interesting.
Even though the fly was small and had just the most basic of instincts, it changed this man of science,
who never really thought about family, into some one obsessed with reproduction – not just sex, he wanted a child. Weirdo.
And he also became more 'physical' aware of himself and others.
He became jealous about his girl friend and he became aware of how ripped he were (which by the way, is totally not how a seclusive scientist would look.
Good job Jeff, for making everyone insecure).
Of course it is strange, that the changes in the body progressed in such a horrific way and weren't immediate –
which they should have been, according to the transporter theory.
But I guess that is an artistic way, of showing his mental changes and just some cronenbergness. Talked so much shit. Done now.
Apropos on board. Just want to talk about the ship for a second.
I'm not sure if this is really wrong, or if I just was taught incorrectly; but I heard the story about the ship of Theseus twice now,
in about ten hours and not the way I know it.
The parts of the ship ware not replaced on the adventure (I mean of course there were repairs, but not to the extend that makes the story interesting).
The people of Crete demanded sacrifices from the people of Athene in the form of 14 virgins (seven male and seven female … hmmm).
That was total bs of course and Theseus promised to bring them back.
After a lot of hot dungeon action, he did so and as a thx dude, the Athens kept his ship ready in the dock (making a celebratory sale to Crete every year),
for allegedly a thousand years! In this time, the parts were exchanged; over a thousand years.
The argument could maybe change a little, when the time is concerned;
would you be willing to exchange your precious bits for augments, if you could life a thousand years?
Would you still be yourself? Enough about boats now.
The function of the transporter, was never a thing I really thought about much,
because Brundle himself stated, that it would not reproduce something and not really transport, rather than make a new thing.
It's splitting hairs in some way, but words have (explicit) meaning and for me it was always clear,
that he destroyed himself, the first time he used it.
That's also the way the Star Trek teleprompters probably work.
They can't 'transport' atoms from A to B, even if the atoms 'ride on an energy wave function', or some other technobabble.
It isn't possible, that they are the same Atoms, because Riker was once split into two (full) persons and this wouldn't be possible using just his atoms.
Would have been funny though, if there were two little Rikers.
So the atoms are transformed into energy, transporter, and transformed back to atoms.
And because of thermodynamic (which makes the whole thing questionable in it self) there has to be extra energy,
when an accident happens to make more atoms? So you are build up from the ground regardless.
That brings me to the body/mind theory Leon talked about and I always thought was the point of the story.
Body Theory and Mind Theory in their raw form and on their own, are (probably) nonsense.
One always influences the other, though we don't have ways to fully proof that – at least the mind without a body (now I want to talk about Major Kusanagi...).
For me the crux of the story, was the splicing with the fly.
That was the thing, that changed him, because he wasn't himself anymore – the lost in translation thing about the transporter, he mentioned earlier on.
The body horror is just Cronenberg being Cronenberg, but there was this change in his mental state, that was more interesting.
Even though the fly was small and had just the most basic of instincts, it changed this man of science,
who never really thought about family, into some one obsessed with reproduction – not just sex, he wanted a child. Weirdo.
And he also became more 'physical' aware of himself and others.
He became jealous about his girl friend and he became aware of how ripped he were (which by the way, is totally not how a seclusive scientist would look.
Good job Jeff, for making everyone insecure).
Of course it is strange, that the changes in the body progressed in such a horrific way and weren't immediate –
which they should have been, according to the transporter theory.
But I guess that is an artistic way, of showing his mental changes and just some cronenbergness. Talked so much shit. Done now.